Flight 175 Tail number = N612UA last at Logan on 16th Aug was EXCLUSIVELY
at JFK from 17th August to 10th September then suddenly back at Logan on
Why was it moved on that
day? It wasn't!
That flight, carefully modified
the night before - took off from JFK and flew into the WTC. Anyone know
the distance and direction?
The fighters were supposed
to look for Flight 175 over JFK
And funnily enough we have
a security alert on a plane from JFK the night before
Flight 93 Sept 11th
=N591UA was in Logan Sept 10th as Flight 0507. This
plane became Flight 175
- changed its transponder code to flight 93 over
NJ and was shot down in
What took off from newark
was probably the white plane using flight 93s
We need to check if the
last scheduled flights were cancelled.
leaves ( on the 10th) Logan for ORD at 7:30 gets to chicago (ORD) at 8:39
wheel on time. Leaves chiacgo as flight 642 at 10:43 for Newark, it shows
a flight number and tail number, but no wheel on time or arrival time.
It shows N591UA as flight 75 to SFO departing wheel off time at 19:40
( a 240 min departure delay
and 70 min taxi out time) It arrives in San Fran at 22:07 wheel on time.
Then depart SFO ( as flight
78) at 23:15 wheel off time.
Flight 78 shows scheduled
to arrive at 6:22, but shows no arrival, or wheel on time.
3 planes were sheduled to
arrive before the 911 events, but the database shows no info of any planes
arriving on the moring of the 11th from NWR
77 N624aa or N644aa?
N624aa was used for flt 77
most of end of Aug and start of Sept
N624aa was in Logan Sept
10th (Flight 181, 11:00)
Airliners.net has a photo
at logan of N644AA but its not listed at all on BTS either August or September
at logan or Dulles.
Does not appear at Reagan
from SFO to BOS Logan 13:44 W-off-time, gets to Logan at 21:50 W-on-Time.
Does not show departing on the 10th . shecduled elapsed time 333 mins /60=5.55hrs
2 hours missing ?
13:44 to 21:50 = 7 hours
and 6 mins
N334AA (11) was at Logan
Sept 10th - Flight 197 17:10, not listed for
Tail # N334AA arrived in
SOF at 20:43 W-On-T on the 10th it left as flight 198 to BOS at 22:04 W-Off-T
it had a scheduled elaspse time of 334 mins. It had a scheduled arrive
time of 6:24, but does not show a wheel on time, arrival time or tail #.
8 planes (of 55) were shown
to have arrived before the 911 events started. none show to actually arrive
( no arrival time, wheel on time or tail number)
Airliners.net has a photo
at logan of N644AA but its not listed at all on
BTS either August or
September at logan or Dulles.
Does not appear at Reagan
Can't find it anywhere?
N644AA does NOT appear at
all, EVER, on the BTS database.
American Airlines has this
really weird system of reporting their planes to the BTS. As far as I have
been able to determine (thanks to a DU poster by the name of LoneStar)
the code is as follows.
(not to be confused with the N-number)
Fleet number (for
The initial digit of the
fleet number pertains to the make of the plane, for example, 5=757
3=737 0=airbus etc
I do not know the story
with the letters just yet.
AA has a very high number
of leased planes and will frequently sell of planes they own outright at
a steep loss and then lease the very same plane back at a very high rate.
I think this is some kind of corporate welfarekick-back or money laundering
scheme. It makes absolutely NO fiscal sense whatsoever. Perhaps the letters
pertain to intial ownership??
(perhaps as carrier code?seeing as how American Eagle planes appears to
be reported as MQ??)
The AA fleet number for Flight
77 is 5BP.
Therefore, the plane reported
to the BTS as N5BPAA is in reality, FAA number N644AA.
The AA fleet number for
Flight 11 is 334.
Therefore the plane reported
to the BTS as N334AA is in reality, FAA number N334AA.
N644AA (fleet #5BP) Imaged
at National Airport a very few miles from where she was lost on September
11, 2001. In memory.
Brad mentioned some big delays
on September 10, and also the fact that the time that the plane was airborne
does not always tally with
the time it takes to fly from point A to point B.
That, according to BTS stats,
is a fact.
But the problem that we consistently
face is that CHARTERED flights are not listed.
Neither are those of small
airlines but all our flights were on large BTS reporting carriers. At present,
I am embroiled in a debate over this at DU. I mainatain that Colgan does
business as US Airways and even has its planes painted in US Airways colors
and it flight attendants wear US Airways uniforms. Colgan's flight numbers
are US Airways 5000-5999. Now if you go to the BTS database and check Portland
and Boston for September 11, you soon determine that there was NO Colgan
air service on that day. The Colgan/US Airways flight numbers range is
given as 5000-5999 by Colgan's website, and as 4800-4999 and 4950- 5099
by the US Airways website. This, to me, adds up to zero.
Furthermore, it does not
appear to me at present that Colgan flew directly from Portland Jetport
I think you have to connect
at LaGuardia or Dulles (or maybe Philly or somewhere else. )
which makes it a five hour
American Eagle appears,
from BTS stats, to be the only airline that Atta/Buhkari/Alomari could
And since woody has a thing
about gates, here is a schematic of the Portland Jetport.
Note that Gate 11 is somewhat
hidden from view.
This could have saved our
hijackers some time.
And here is a map of the
I had a small list of tails
that i backtracked bts data for before 911. 594 was one of them.
i found both 591 and 594
had simialar peculiarities. BOTH planes were in 2 places at one time on
I have a VERy hard time
believing this is a coincidence.
I checked several other
flights as a control group , if you will.
NONE of the other flight
dispayed this type of problem.
From what i understand,
the data is recorded by ACARS
( im pretty sure both of
these planes were ACARS equipped)
What i am not sure of is
if the data can be changed by someone at UA, or somehwere else before it
hits the BTS database?
The idea that both of these
planes were in 2 places at one time on Sept 10th is too much for me to
attribute to a coincidence.